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Pottery => What's my Pottery? => Topic started by: MMorris on February 23, 2009, 04:39:58 PM

Title: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 23, 2009, 04:39:58 PM: Hi all,

I'm itching to send a photo of a platter that I bought from a car boot sale this weekend. As photo thingy isn't working (in my hands) I'll describe the pot. Its African Style with a (think this is right spellin) majolica? glaze. The potters mark is just like Cardew's C but with a K inside it (which does look like a Kingswood 'K'). When I'm sorted I'll send a photo but meanwhile does anyone know what a Cardew/Kingswood stamp looks like.

Many Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: Anne on February 23, 2009, 07:09:44 PM: Mark's pics added above now. 8)
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 23, 2009, 07:16:17 PM: Take a look at www.studiopottery.com, there's a good example of his Kingwood mark on there.
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 23, 2009, 08:30:17 PM: Thanks Chimpmad

Can't make my mind up. The form is similar to Michael Cardew, the 'K' and 'C' part of the stamp are similar to Kingwood and Cardew pottery respectively.

There is very little info on Kingwood pottery available.
:-\

Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 23, 2009, 08:43:09 PM: These are Michael Cardew pieces. http://www.ceramics-aberystwyth.com/michael-cardew.html Quite similar to mine....Ummmm, but that doesn't mean much I know.

Mark
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 24, 2009, 06:44:57 PM: Hi,

Just been notified by someone who knows - its not by Michael Cardew. (ah well C'est la vie)

Mark
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 24, 2009, 07:05:18 PM: Don't let that put you off the platter though, enjoy it for the nice piece it is.
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 24, 2009, 08:01:40 PM: Thanks Chimpmad I'll try.

The trouble is (and I'm bearing my heart here) I have enjoyed things in the past but then as soon as I know that the piece I liked and admired was worthless and of little value I stopped liking it. Call it shallowness on my part but the more I thought the more I realised its like knowing people really. The other thing is it always surprises me how something seemingly rubbish can be called art by others. Maybe I'm just a pottery fashion victim :czy:

Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 24, 2009, 09:05:00 PM: Got there in the end.

The pot is by Dieter Kunzemann who worked out of coldstone pottery Nr Woodstock in Oxfordshire....Whew!

I'll stop boring you all now

M
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 25, 2009, 12:03:40 AM: Hi M, I hate to do this to you but I think your search may continue. These are my Dieter Kunzemann mugs, similar in style but the seal is different.
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 25, 2009, 12:04:42 AM: And it helps if I attach the pics! :blush:
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 25, 2009, 01:11:23 AM: Hi Chimpmad,

I asked the Michael Cardew blog editor on E bay initially as I was hoping it was a Michael Cardew plate and he said to quote:

"Mark

Thats an easy one - Dieter & Dinah Kunzemann - the mark is DK overlapped - its made at Coldstone (1953-67) or Evenlode pottery after 1967. Very typical of their (mainly his) slip trailed work. Dieter worked with Chris Harries at Coldstone - who trained at Winchcombe from 1948-51. The cross lines on the slip are done with a quill - a technique developed by Sid Tustin at Winchcombe

Sorry to disappoint

Richard"

I suppose mine could be Dinah. Blimey I don't know :boohoo: ??? :-\

I dare say they could have used different marks at differing periods??
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 25, 2009, 10:34:47 PM: Quote from: MMorris on February 24, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
Thanks Chimpmad I'll try.

The trouble is (and I'm bearing my heart here) I have enjoyed things in the past but then as soon as I know that the piece I liked and admired was worthless and of little value I stopped liking it. Call it shallowness on my part but the more I thought the more I realised its like knowing people really. The other thing is it always surprises me how something seemingly rubbish can be called art by others. Maybe I'm just a pottery fashion victim :czy:

Regards
Mark

This is just a personal view but I've never really understood why so often the name is considered so much more important than the piece. How often on programmes such as 'The Antiques Roadshow' do we hear an expert say something along the lines of "At first glance this appears to be a run-of-the-mill, mundane item, but on turning it over and seeing the magic name of........ we start to see it in an altogether new light" or "This is a beautiful piece which, if it could be attriuted to....... would be worth a lot of money, but as an unsigned piece would fetch in the low tens of pounds"?
WHY ??? ???
Surely a mundane piece is still mundane whatever name is attached, just as a beautiful piece is no less so for the omission of a good name.
My advice would be; If you're buying for investment then buy a 'named' piece, but if you're buying for pleasure then buy what you like.
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: MMorris on February 26, 2009, 12:32:12 AM: Hi,

Yes I can see your point , maybe as its early days for me I still tend to cast a commercial eye over pieces first.

M
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: ChimpMad on February 26, 2009, 02:27:26 AM: For me the test of a piece is; if you want to own it before you turn it over to look for a name then it's worth buying.
Title: Re: Michael Cardew at Kingswood
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 01, 2009, 07:50:47 PM: These are all very nice!! :clap2: :clap2: