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Pottery => What's my Pottery? => Topic started by: Tigerchips on March 21, 2010, 06:35:43 PM

Title: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 21, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Hi, does anyone know who could have made this? I don't wish to separate the fox from it's base since it would be difficult not to spoil it anyway.

It's signed on the side 'RT'.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 22, 2010, 09:15:11 PM
Okay then i'll try to seperating it by putting it in warm water, it's proving difficult though.

I wonder if it is Capodimonte?
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 22, 2010, 10:31:47 PM
Might be best leaving it on the base.  It looks quite narrow and is probably safer nicely balanced on the base.  Nice looking fox ;)  can't help with the ID tho, but will look out for something similar.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 23, 2010, 03:41:58 AM
Oh I LIKE it on the base.  I would not remove it from it.  I think it gives it character.

I am just guessing --- but maybe something English as to do with the *hunt* of the Fox and hounds.  Looks like it say *RT*

Some R here:  http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/r/index.html
Some T here:  http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/t/index.html

maybe REED & TAYLOR -- IF it was a Company name, NOT an individual letters to their name.  As we do not know if RT is a company name, or initials of one person -- so just a wild guess here

Looks made well to me...  ;)

Kinda unusual that the Fox face is lighter - could that be that he's older?? Most fox I found here on the Net have *dark* faces....??

Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne on March 23, 2010, 12:01:02 PM
TC I'd not separate it in case it causes damage. I've looked through a couple of books for that mark but not found anything yet...  it'll turn up somewhere I'm sure. :)
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 23, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
Ah, too late, i already grabbed it by the tail, shook it around and hammered the base off with a mallet. Just kidding.  ;D

There was no mark on the base, shame. It's made from an odd type of pottery, very brittle, some of the glaze has rubbed off in places, see the white bits in the photos above.

Inside there's a white substance, a bit like chalk but it's obviously not. It was probably something left over after firing. The holes seem to have been rounded off, they have a flat edge to them.

Yes, Rose, i think it might be hunting related too as it has a very large scar across it's face.

I think the RT is related to the artist or designer rather than a company.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 23, 2010, 09:42:35 PM
"Ah, too late, i already grabbed it by the tail, shook it around and hammered the base off with a mallet. Just kidding."

You weren't wearing a red jacket and on horseback at the time were you?
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 24, 2010, 04:17:02 AM
Ah, too late, i already grabbed it by the tail, shook it around and hammered the base off with a mallet. Just kidding.  ;D

 :o :o :hlp: :bad:  TC.......

What is done - is done....lol.....we will keep *hunting* here too TC
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 24, 2010, 10:50:22 AM
Fox hunting ha hah ha ha ha hah ha.   :24:

 :beer:
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Martyn on March 24, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
Could it be painted plaster Tony, is the "glaze" fired?
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 24, 2010, 06:03:56 PM
I don't think it's fired, it's too easy to scratch away. The pottery itself is rather tough, i thought plaster was quite soft?
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Martyn on March 24, 2010, 07:00:36 PM
Some casting plasters are extremely hard... if you have any descaler and put a drop on the base I think it will effervesce and over time eat into the surface if it's plaster, just be careful not to breath in any fumes. Vinegar should do the same a bit more slowly.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 24, 2010, 08:03:13 PM
Makes a difference if you google *plinth* or *wood base*.  I had to google the word PLINTH myself as I had never heard that term over here (across the pond).  Learn something new everyday...

Is is chalkware (maybe) ??????

I still feel it is old -- just by the color used in the face, and the so much more details in the face.  Hey TC -- What does the very bottom of the base look like of the wood?  Does it look machine made, or sort of hand-made?  Smooth or a bit rough?  Can you tell there?  Any indication on the wood of how it was made?

 ;)

Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 27, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
I tried white wine vinegar but nothing happened so maybe not plaster. As for Chalkware, i don't know, it hasn't got any mould joins anywhere.

The wood is solid wood and very smooth on the base.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 28, 2010, 07:17:16 AM
Can you make a scratch in it the bottom of the fox with your finger nail TC - as usually with Chalkware you can do that.  Chalkware pieces I have do not have any joints either.  Just think of how a piece of chalk would be if you took you nail to it -- and it would leave a small scratch in it..

Still could be ceramic though...
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 28, 2010, 09:11:21 PM
The base scratches away with my fingernail but very difficult. I guess it's Chalkware then? Is Chalkware usually very thin and hollow though?
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 28, 2010, 10:29:15 PM
The only chalkware (plaster) pieces that I've seen have tended to be quite thick and heavy, and a varnish applied as opposed to a glaze on fired pottery.
I've never seen two holes on the bottom of plaster pieces either.  Either they are solid, or hollow.
I'm flummoxed  :thd:
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on March 29, 2010, 10:10:18 PM
I think maybe some types of pottery are quite brittle.

I have this cockerel which i think is Italian and it also has a brittle pottery base....

I was thinking maybe the cockerel is Capodimonte too.  :taped:
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne E.B. on April 06, 2010, 03:55:41 PM
How does this Capodimonte cockerel compare with yours?
I always thought Capodimonte was made from porcelain, but this one appears to be made from a resin composite according to the description.  Could yours be something similar?
Whoops it helps if I put the link...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Capodimonte-Armani-Large-Cockerel-Rooster-Bird-Figure_W0QQitemZ400109617466QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100318?IMSfp=TL1003181810001r39263
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on April 07, 2010, 11:16:23 AM
I think that's the the same stuff as Lilliput lane and Border Fine Arts. If so, it's definitely not the same.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on April 08, 2010, 11:37:28 PM
can you post a picture of where you scratched it TC, just so we can see the scratch marks.....as I have scratched a few pieces of chalkware here.  Might help to see a pic of that -- might not.  just a gamble...


:)
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: antiquerose123 on May 14, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
hey TC -- as I was roaming around the net here -- I found this and thought this might interest you on you item.

Item and Description, click on pic to enlarge: 
http://www.soberhill-antiques.com/stockItem.cfm?item_id=4633

I do think YOURS might be Chalk-ware too -- as this one is.  Gee, I hope I helped you figure this one out.  Maybe my googling techniques are getting better.  I asked you back on March 24, 2010 --  If it might be Chalkware....lol  

Is is chalkware (maybe) ??????

:cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Good SITE here about Dogs, etc - ceramic, bronze, chalk-ware etc....
http://www.soberhill.co.uk/Antiques/soberhillFigurines.htm
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on January 04, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
I posted the image on Facebook and Frank say's it's German.
Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Tigerchips on September 24, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
Okay, managed to track the mould maker down, it's made by Atlantic Mold. We've been here before... http://www.yobunny.com/pottery/index.php?topic=11283.msg32878;topicseen#msg32878

There's one on ebay right now described as J-R-Page-Ornate-Pottery-Attractive-Fox-In-Undergrowth-Scene-Signed-&-Marked. Also it has the 'Atlantic Mold' mark.
The same mould is used by Anita Harris http://www.anitaharrisartpottery.net/product-page/fox-figure

So it seems this was made by various companies but this one is probably pre-2002.

Title: Re: Fox on plinth
Post by: Anne on September 27, 2018, 02:48:12 AM
Yay! Result, well done TC!  :cheerleader: