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Title: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 03, 2010, 03:53:59 PM

Hi can anyone help. China tea cups etc with Imari style pattern. Back stamp is Fleur De Lys over a ribbon which says English China under that  number 5288 couple of gold spots and a green blob but no name!!!!...cannot upload pic as file too big.

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 03, 2010, 09:20:37 PM

Hi Jojo welcome to the board. We need a pic really, if you can email me copies I will resize them and add them to your topic for you. Send to glass(AT)yobunny.co.uk (change (AT) to the @ symbol when you type it into your email program.)

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 03, 2010, 09:27:58 PM

Thank you Anne. That is very kind of you...email with pic on it's way ...Regards jojo

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 03, 2010, 09:48:47 PM

Hi - and welcome  ;)  This might be helpful in the meantime http://www.figurines-sculpture.com/fleur-de-lys-pottery-mark-antique-china-and-fine-china-collectibles-query.html

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 03, 2010, 09:53:36 PM

Hi and Thank you Anne E B, I have had a look on there but cannot see anything that is (free) lol...only a link to a pay site in the US I think.. But thank you anyway...at least on this I have had replies, on that one I managed to send a pic but no results as yet lol...Thanks again jojo

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 03, 2010, 11:35:05 PM

I know this pattern but I can't think who made it! It's fairly commonly seen, and the squared-off plate makes me think it's probably pre-WW2 (late 1930s-ish). Let me sleep on it...

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 04, 2010, 09:10:58 AM

Thank you for the pics Anne...that makes things clearer for anyone looking...I saw the same pattern on the well known auction site yesterday and sent the vendor a question asking his opinion...he's just come back saying he thinks from my description that it may be Charles Waine & co..Derby Works Longton staffs...C1891 to 1913..as they did not use a makers mark for this pattern....what are your thoughts.....regards jojo

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 04, 2010, 06:26:59 PM

Hi Jojo, I checked in Godden and he gives various marks for Waine, all of which use either initials or their name... in the 1891-1913 period their pieces were marked with C.W. or a banner saying ENGLISH over the word CHINA (both in capitals) with a CW monogram in between. 

Can you get a clearer closeup of the mark itself please so we can make the detail out...  if you have a macro setting on the camera (usually a little flower symbol) try with that and see if you can get a better shot. Email it over to me and I'll add as before.  :comp:

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 04, 2010, 07:22:23 PM

Hi Anne...yes I have the little flower mark, though not such a steady hand lol...I will have a go and email my efforts to you shortly..Regards jojo

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 04, 2010, 08:19:04 PM

Much better pics, thanks. I've added them to the top post above and removed the blurred one of the mark.  :comp: 

The Waine banner mark isn't like this at all...  I'll have a wade through Godden and see what else I can find later.  :x-fingers:

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 04, 2010, 08:27:36 PM

Thank you Anne you are a star.......Thank you so much ...I have been trying to research this for the last 6 wks or so ...I'm starting to loose the will lol...x

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: antiquerose123 on September 04, 2010, 10:59:10 PM

Hi there:

Gee this one seems tough...I am not finding much either here... ???

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 05, 2010, 09:27:00 AM

Hi..Thanks for looking anyway....I'm new to pottery so no wonder it has got me stummped lol...

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: alfies dad on September 08, 2010, 12:37:09 AM

Barker Bros seems a likely possibility printed marks 1912-1930 and your tea-set would fit in with those dates,  hope this helps.

Robert.

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 08, 2010, 03:42:16 AM

Barker Bros seems to have either Barker or Meir along with the mark though Robert...

I did finally find it on Replacements.com but sadly they don't know who the maker is either!
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/ENG5288.htm#7808934 (it's shown as ENGLAND which just means made in England)

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Jojo on September 08, 2010, 08:47:19 AM

Hi Anne...yes that is the one...but I dont have the cake plate...I wish I did it looks lovely....So it seems I am not destined to know who made it, looks like it will have to remain one of lifes mysteries lol.....Thank you so much for all your help....jojo :thanks: :clap:

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: alfies dad on September 08, 2010, 03:51:49 PM

Hi Anne, would the mark on Jojo's pieces not be just a slight variation of the Barker Bros mark, just like the marks on the pieces from the link above shown as England, Also I've looked through my marks book and found no other factory using the fleur de lys mark that ties in with the dates of these pieces.... I may be wrong but i would still consider Barker Bros as the maker

Title: Re: English China identification
Post by: Anne on September 09, 2010, 02:55:59 AM

Might not be there is the author didn't know about the mark or didn't know who it was for though Robert. There are a few marks that have similarities but I'd not be happy attributing this one for sure without more proof to be honest.