Let's Talk About Pottery & Collectables
Pottery => British & Irish => Topic started by: bob100 on September 20, 2007, 06:47:01 AM
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Hello:
I am trying to find out all of the items that were made for Spode patterns 2114 and 1166.
Spode 1166 is the more famous of the two patterns and features a dark blue ground with gilt fish scale design and finely painted flowers in colors. I have found quite a few items already made in this pattern by scouring all of the auction house websites, however I want to find the complete range of items made for this pattern. Any photos you have of this pattern would be very helpful. The 'Friends of Spode' website says that the Spode Museum has a 15" Soup Tureen amongst other items in this pattern. I wish there was a way to find out what they carry in this pattern but they do not take inquiries anymore. They seem to be in some sort of crisis.
Spode 2114 is an ornithological pattern having apple green rims and finely painted bird species named on the reverse. I have found two items in this pattern: a dessert shell with a Hoopoe Bird and another dessert shell with a Roller bird. The fact that these two dessert shell dishes has a different bird on each one means that the pattern probably has a different bird on each item in the dessert service and any other services made in this pattern for that matter. The Friends of Spode website shows two ice pails that look they might be in this pattern, but once again it is hard to know for sure since they do not take requests from the public.
If anyone has any good research strategies into finding out what was made in a given pattern, I would really like to know.
Thank you
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Hi Bob, and welcome :gcheer:, you may already have this site, but i will see what else i can dig out.
www.spode.co.uk/findingout.html
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Are these very old patterns or 20th century? I ask as if 20th century, you might find that writing to all of the china finders on the Spode museum list to see if they can recall what they have ever had in these patterns may be useful. People usually like to help, and I am sure at least some of them would go through their archives for you.
You could also try John Sandon at Bonhams (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=EuropeanPorcelain)- he has an encyclopaedic knowledge of porcelain
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Both of these patterns are antique and date to 1820 or before which is the regency period. Pattern number 1166 is one of Spode's best known patterns in terms of quality and also desirability. You can go to the "Friends of Spode" website and see examples of it.
The website http://www.spodefriends.org.uk/earlyporcelains.html (http://www.spodefriends.org.uk/earlyporcelains.html) will take you to the ' Friends of Spode' website. The top picture in the middle is pattern 1166. The picture below is what I believe to be pattern 2114.
The website http://www.malleries.com/antique-spode-shell-shaped-dish-i-4449-s-95.html?mallSID=ed1bd6ba2eceb41540d75e17e01fd621 (http://www.malleries.com/antique-spode-shell-shaped-dish-i-4449-s-95.html?mallSID=ed1bd6ba2eceb41540d75e17e01fd621)
will take you to an antiques shop that has two shell dessert dishes on sale in pattern 2114.
If you have any Spode reference books, then please scrounge around and see what you can find.
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Bob, on the link i gave you above, click on the visiting us and you will get a link to the museum.
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I believe that I mentioned in my original post that the Spode Museum is in crisis at this moment, they perhaps may not survive as a museum in the future, and they do not have the ability or financial resources to take inquiries from the public. Believe you me, I have picked over the Spode museum site a million times over for every information nugget that I can find.
I need the brains and power of the entire internet now to find out this information
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The papers and archives for Spode are held at Keele univercity.
www.keele.ac.uk?depts/li/specarc/archives/spode.hlm
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I do not have access to a great deal of the literature. If any of you out there have access please look in your reference books and see if they have anything on these patterns.
Here are some reference books that you might have on your reference shelf that would be useful. There are others as well.
Spode and Copeland: Over Two Hundred years of fine China and Porcelain by Steven Smith
Spode Copeland Spode by Vega Wilkinson
Spode and Copeland Marks and Other Relevant Intelligence by Robert Copeland