Author Topic: Copper coloured vase. Shape N?102 (Read 6663 times)

christranslates · « **on:** April 03, 2008, 12:40:22 PM »

Does anyone recognise this vase shape please? It stands 8.1/2" high, is quite fine - not chunky, seems to have a pattern under the colour which is beautiful and slightly iridescent in places copper colour. As you can see my photos don't do it justice - the colour is somewhere midway between the two photos! The only mark is what I presume is a pattern number 102.

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2008, 08:13:20 PM »

Are you sure it's pottery, looks more like glass to me

christranslates · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2008, 09:06:24 PM »

Absolutely positive ! It's just a fantastic colour.

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2008, 07:47:21 AM »

Can you tell what colour clay it is? That base rim is most confusing

christranslates · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2008, 08:39:37 AM »

It looks very dark grey with a reddish tinge. I'm attaching two more photos taken outside in daylight this morning. Bit of a grey day today.
Chris

Sue C · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2008, 11:20:17 AM »

I used to have a copper luster jug, and when i was researching it i came across this site
http://users.pandora.be/janart/danish/danishceramics.html scroll down, i dont know if your's is an Ipsen, but i like the glaze on it....but then i like dlass too

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2008, 12:33:16 PM »

There's some fabulous stuff there Sue - have you added it to the links

christranslates · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2008, 01:33:29 PM »

Beautiful but $:-\$ . I'll give you some more background, it may help or it may confuse matters more, but briefly this is part of an inherited collection; The uncle who collected had very eclectic tastes but he did have taste. In ceramics he mainly collected good studio pottery - Leach, Finch, Cardew, Caiger Smith, Pleydell Bouverie and lesser known potters - but also Ruskin, Doulton, Zsolney, Royal Lancastrian. There's some Italian, but no Scandinavian in the ceramics. Having said that, I've found some Finnish glass in his glass collection! I should add that a lot of his best and identifiable collection was sold off in the 1990s by my in-laws, we've got the leftovers, but there's still quite a lot of stuff!! This vase (to me) says class, but I could be wrong. I sent a photo and the number to the Dormans Museum as I thought it may be Linthorpe and their reply below:
"Thank you for contacting the Dorman Museum about your vase. I have to say it doesn't look like Linthorpe to me but I have been surprised before. Unfortunately if it doesn't have the Linthorpe stamp then one cannot say it is Linthorpe as the moulds were sold to other potteries and many others imitated them. As for the number 102 we have no information on this, moulds 101 and 103 either side are completely different so no guide there."
It's such a distinctive shape that I hope someone may recognise it.
Chris

Anne · « **Reply #8 on:** April 04, 2008, 03:31:09 PM »

Super link, Sue. I've added it to the links collection for you.

I'm clueless on this vase though Chris. I love the colour and the shape but have no idea at all of maker, age or anything. We'll keep searching.

christranslates · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2008, 07:41:30 PM »

Thankyou Sue

, Anne

and Christine

. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Chris

Sue C · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2008, 10:46:28 AM »

Do you know what i first thought of when i saw this?? Loetz!!

christranslates · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:30:03 PM »

Someone else said it looked like glass, it's definitely ceramic!

christranslates · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2008, 10:09:17 AM »

Hi Anne,

Wondered if this could be moved up the list to see if anyone had any further thoughts on it

is this possible?

? I'd really appreciate it

because I'm still

sorry can't resist your

ies Chris

Anne · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2008, 03:25:33 PM »

By replying to it the message gets back to the top again Chris. It's called a bump.

(I'm told we have one of the best smiley collections on a forum online! - Thanks to my son Alex (winterice) who is a total smiley addict!!!

)

krsilber · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2008, 07:09:46 PM »

Beautiful piece!

Quote from: Lustrousstone on April 04, 2008, 07:47:21 AM

Can you tell what colour clay it is? That base rim is most confusing

The base is kind of a giveaway for ceramic, actually. A base that shape would be difficult (and unnecessary) with glass.

I'm wondering whether the color of the base rim might either be due to glaze that has soaked into the clay and been incompletely wiped off before firing, or more likely, the result of metal oxides applied to the whole vase. My knowledge of glazes is pretty rusty, but I think it's possible the vase was glazed, and the oxides applied over that. Metal oxides alone don't melt like a glaze does.

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2008, 10:12:37 PM »

A base like that is actually quite common on Sklo Union glass with the deep inset and the ground off rim, which is one reason why I asked if it might not be ceramic

krsilber · « **Reply #16 on:** June 29, 2008, 12:14:45 AM »

OH, dumb me - I wasn't even thinking about pressed glass.

I stand corrected.

christranslates · « **Reply #17 on:** June 29, 2008, 11:23:55 AM »

Hi you two - it's NOT glass

Chris

krsilber · « **Reply #18 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:04:09 PM »

I never thought it was. The glaze is obvious to me. I was just acknowledging the fact that pressed glass can have a base like this.

christranslates · « **Reply #19 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:25:34 PM »

Quote from: krsilber on June 28, 2008, 07:09:46 PM

Beautiful piece!

The base is kind of a giveaway for ceramic, actually. A base that shape would be difficult (and unnecessary) with glass.

I'm wondering whether the color of the base rim might either be due to glaze that has soaked into the clay and been incompletely wiped off before firing, or more likely, the result of metal oxides applied to the whole vase. My knowledge of glazes is pretty rusty, but I think it's possible the vase was glazed, and the oxides applied over that. Metal oxides alone don't melt like a glaze does.

Sounds to me like you're on the right lines - did anyone in my list (Reply N?7) use or experiment with this technique? I should add to that list Pilkington (no, not glass: Uncle collected their ceramics). Chris