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Offline Amaya

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1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« on: May 02, 2010, 10:52:59 AM »
Hi. I have this coffee pot, acquired in Barcelona in the 1970's.  There is a barely visible incised '1963 & 'II' on the base.  Anybody have any clues as to its maker or country of origin please? 

Any & all information is gratefully received.

Many thanks 

Amaya

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 02:48:34 PM »
Hi Amaya ....and Welcome to the Board.  :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Could you (try) to post the bottom mark, using the closest range possible?  To me, it looks like it is a Lusterware finish.  That pearly shiny iridescent shine on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusterware

Some more Info, scroll closer to the bottom:
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles03/pottery5.shtml
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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 08:05:51 PM »
Czechoslovakian would be my guess.

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 06:37:43 AM »
Hi,

I'm not very good at this. Firstly thank you very much for the replies. I'm trying to post a photo of the base mark.  This is almost like the Glass Messageboard set up only it doesn't have a reply button at the bottom to continue discussions and thank people.

To photograph the base my husband has shone the torch into the pot, it gives it an appearance of fine bone china.  Yes, the paint/artwork seems to be lusterware.

So, my question is how do I post more photos without creating a new and different post?

Many thanks

Amaya

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 06:43:08 AM »
Hi again - here is the photo of the base mark , my husband just worked out how to add the photo. Thanks to everyone.

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 08:20:47 AM »
Hi Amaya....yes a lot of us are from GMB.  You'll see a lot of same names here, and Ann is a MOD for both...

Does your camera have a close-up thingy on it.  I might be shown as a flower?  Hard to see the mark, but a Nice Pic by shinning the light through the item.....looks like Bone to me too.....

Also you could try this to with your camera.. http://www.yobunny.com/pottery/index.php?topic=11080.0 as using just an old magnifying glass in front of your camera lens (in daylight, no flash) might help bring in the mark.  You might need Hubby help to hold the magnifying glass, and put the item on the couch with some pillows to hold it so hubby can hold the magnifying glass, and you the camera...

worth a shot -- but check your camera to see if it does have a close up thing -- as when I got my camera, I did NOT know mine had a close-up thing either ---- TILL these people here explained it, and what to look for (and maybe read the booklet...lol)

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 10:28:26 AM »
Hi.  Thank you for all those hints.  Unfortunately we've tried all these tricks and more, this photo is as good as it gets. We found that by moving the monitor screen on our laptop it helps to bring the very faint base mark into focus.  And believe me it is faint.  I have had this for over 35 years and only discovered this mark last year whilst cleaning it in the sunlight.  It looks like the incised mark was glazed over therefore making it very difficult to distinguish.

If anybody manages to crack this one for us I will be eternally grateful.  Is it possible that it was made in Japan, or as I found this in Barcelona perhaps Spain?   

I look forward to hearing from you experts!

Many thanks  Amaya


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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 07:02:19 AM »
I tried that -- but it did not work for me.....

We might be able to *crack the code* but we need a much closer, and clearer pic of it......does your camera not have a close-up button, as most digital camera do....

I did not know mine had one -- tell they advised me here on the board...

WE want to help you out here....and figure this out too!!

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 12:21:41 PM »
Hi. My husband's tried all the features on our new camera, says that because the date '1963' and number 'II'  is incised in the base then glazed over it is almost invisible therefore capturing it on camera makes it almost impossible.

Thank you very much to you both for your time and for the links. Wonderful and very interesting information but I feel that this coffee pot is destined to remain unidentified.
The '1963' mark would probably be the year that it was made.  Could it have been a student's piece?

If any of you think of anything I'd love to hear from you.

Thank you once again.

Amaya


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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 08:21:16 PM »
Glazed over marks can be the very devil to get an image of, but sometimes you can make a rubbing of it using fine paper and a soft crayon... that might be anough to bring it up, and then take a piccie of that instead. :)

I really don't think it's a student piece... here's why... looking at it, it reminds me of a coffee set my Mother has... hers is one of the miniature ones but the handle and finial on the lid are the same shape,  hers is gold and has a Fragonard-type central image. I used to have one the same shape as hers in midnight blue, again with a rural scene in the middle.  Now I know she's had hers for eons... her uncle bought it on one of his tourist trips abroad - most likely either Italy or Spain, probably in the 1960s. Mine, on the other hand, was bought new and boxed in the 1980s from a London market!

So, my feeling is that this is a piece from sometime between the 1920s-1980s, from mainland Europe, and would have been a regular item not a student piece.  The 1963 might be the date or it might be the pattern number of the it might be the decorator's reference code. Remember that many of the decorators were paid "piece work", so every item they decorated would carry their unique identifier - without that number the boss wouldn't know who to pay for the work done on it. If the number is painted or gilded then it's more likely to be a decorator's mark, if incised then a pattern number would be more likely.

Having said all that, I've just had the thought that it could be French, along the lines of the ones shown on this page:
http://www.frenchantiquesarlette.fr/S5309_coffee_set_29_pieces_Limoges_WEBE.jpg or even Bavarian (this one's like a full-size version of my Mother's, but the finial is different): http://62.15.226.148/tc/2009/09/17/14978441.jpg - Bavaria produced a massive range of porcelain tableware.

This probably doesn't take you any further forward, except to know that we're still puzzling over it! :)

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2010, 11:22:54 PM »
Hi Anne,

Thank you so much. We'll try the paper and crayon method and see what we come up with. I was just looking at our poor effort capturing the base inscription, we can just make out the '1963 II'. Can you see anything remotely like that showing up at your end?  It's almost like 'smoke and mirrors', if you change the angle and the quality of light - sometimes it appears as clear as day, other times it just doesn't seem to exist.

Thank you once again for your time and those great links.  Will work on this next step and post asap.

Regards

Amaya

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Re: 1960's Porcelain Coffee Pot
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 07:23:50 AM »
Silly guess here -- but I wonder if different kind of light might help to show it up....like a black light, UV or even a yellow color bulb either above it, or behind it...................or maybe directly against the Sun.............directly under a light, or from above a light....

Would some ashes rubbed against it work to bring it out at all...

I wonder if there is anything on google to tell use some *other secrets* used in photography to bring it out more

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